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		<title>By: Menshevik</title>
		<link>http://fantasticfangirls.org/?p=686&#038;cpage=1#comment-1044</link>
		<dc:creator>Menshevik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately it seems that the final sentence of my previous post was misleading, so before I close my end of this discussion, I should perhaps clarify what I meant:
The disability/disfigurement/deformity metaphor was not intended to be seen in conjunction with the racial metaphor but as something to replace it. This is partly because Hank finds himself in a situation that is very different from that of the majority of other mutants (while it is actually extremely similar to that of the Thing, Tigra, Man-Thing, and numerous other non-mutants). And a large part of his predicament can be compared to e.g. a normal human who lost one or more limbs (thumbs count) in an accident or war. And since Hank&#039;s current form is at least to a large extent due to outside influences, I do not see it as that intimately linked to his identity as a mutant (in his cat form he is no more representative of mutants than the Elephant Man was of Homo sapiens sapiens), and so him wanting to stay as he is now is more comparable e.g. to the discussions that flared up recently on the question as to whether or not Oracle should regain the use of her legs or even want to. Also I think that the way people in the Marvel Universe react to Hank, the Thing et al. is very much like that towards people with a handicap/deformity (often trying to overcome an instinctive revulsion mixed with pity and embarrassment etc.).
On a side note, Hank has been through so many transformations already that he should reckon with the possibility of more of them in the future. Maybe he secretly hopes that in his next mutation he&#039;ll gain wings ;-)

But all this is just meant as a clarification, not to restart the discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately it seems that the final sentence of my previous post was misleading, so before I close my end of this discussion, I should perhaps clarify what I meant:<br />
The disability/disfigurement/deformity metaphor was not intended to be seen in conjunction with the racial metaphor but as something to replace it. This is partly because Hank finds himself in a situation that is very different from that of the majority of other mutants (while it is actually extremely similar to that of the Thing, Tigra, Man-Thing, and numerous other non-mutants). And a large part of his predicament can be compared to e.g. a normal human who lost one or more limbs (thumbs count) in an accident or war. And since Hank&#8217;s current form is at least to a large extent due to outside influences, I do not see it as that intimately linked to his identity as a mutant (in his cat form he is no more representative of mutants than the Elephant Man was of Homo sapiens sapiens), and so him wanting to stay as he is now is more comparable e.g. to the discussions that flared up recently on the question as to whether or not Oracle should regain the use of her legs or even want to. Also I think that the way people in the Marvel Universe react to Hank, the Thing et al. is very much like that towards people with a handicap/deformity (often trying to overcome an instinctive revulsion mixed with pity and embarrassment etc.).<br />
On a side note, Hank has been through so many transformations already that he should reckon with the possibility of more of them in the future. Maybe he secretly hopes that in his next mutation he&#8217;ll gain wings <img src='http://fantasticfangirls.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But all this is just meant as a clarification, not to restart the discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://fantasticfangirls.org/?p=686&#038;cpage=1#comment-1042</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 01:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Menshevik I&#039;m sorry if the issues got confused.  I really did intend for them to be two separate issues -- Hank&#039;s feelings of alienation as a metaphor for racial alienation on the one hand, and Hank&#039;s animalistic inner conflict on the other.  The first is the metaphor; the second is just something I think produces good stories.  I can see your concerns, but I don&#039;t think they&#039;ve been mixed problematically in the comics so far, and hopefully they won&#039;t be.

I&#039;m also not sure that thinking of Hank as deformed is helpful -- half the point of his struggle is that, even though he&#039;s tempted, he doesn&#039;t WANT to be cured.  He&#039;s proud of who he is, and of being a mutant, and I think viewing him as having a deformity is dangerous ground for the racial metaphor.

As you said, though, we&#039;re not going to convince each other, so it might be best to put the argument to rest.  Thank you for sharing your perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Menshevik I&#8217;m sorry if the issues got confused.  I really did intend for them to be two separate issues &#8212; Hank&#8217;s feelings of alienation as a metaphor for racial alienation on the one hand, and Hank&#8217;s animalistic inner conflict on the other.  The first is the metaphor; the second is just something I think produces good stories.  I can see your concerns, but I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;ve been mixed problematically in the comics so far, and hopefully they won&#8217;t be.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also not sure that thinking of Hank as deformed is helpful &#8212; half the point of his struggle is that, even though he&#8217;s tempted, he doesn&#8217;t WANT to be cured.  He&#8217;s proud of who he is, and of being a mutant, and I think viewing him as having a deformity is dangerous ground for the racial metaphor.</p>
<p>As you said, though, we&#8217;re not going to convince each other, so it might be best to put the argument to rest.  Thank you for sharing your perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Menshevik</title>
		<link>http://fantasticfangirls.org/?p=686&#038;cpage=1#comment-1039</link>
		<dc:creator>Menshevik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 07:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I don&#039;t think either of us is going to convince the other.
Having slept over the matter, I think on big problem I have with your interpretation is the manner in which it mixes the racial metaphor of the animal-like look with the (self-)alienation factors. Race is - at least to a large extent - a social construct and in real life, although racists abhor interracial sex (&quot;miscegenation&quot;), physical differences do not prevent members of different racial groups from falling in love or being sexually attracted to each other in large numbers. Investing Hank&#039;s predicament with the kind of importance you do does send a potential message that makes me feel uncomfortable in the context of &quot;mutants as metaphor for race&quot;. There is a bit of a danger of a reader seeing the &quot;lesson&quot; that interracial attraction really is &quot;unnatural&quot; and that there actually is a core of truth to racial prejudice (seeing members of non-caucasian races as physically and mentally inferior, in a state between human and animal). So I prefer to see Hank&#039;s predicament - like that of the various non-mutants I&#039;ve mentioned - as more akin to the situation of a person injured and disfigured in an accident or due to prenatal damage (vide Thalidomide/Contergan etc.).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I don&#8217;t think either of us is going to convince the other.<br />
Having slept over the matter, I think on big problem I have with your interpretation is the manner in which it mixes the racial metaphor of the animal-like look with the (self-)alienation factors. Race is &#8211; at least to a large extent &#8211; a social construct and in real life, although racists abhor interracial sex (&#8220;miscegenation&#8221;), physical differences do not prevent members of different racial groups from falling in love or being sexually attracted to each other in large numbers. Investing Hank&#8217;s predicament with the kind of importance you do does send a potential message that makes me feel uncomfortable in the context of &#8220;mutants as metaphor for race&#8221;. There is a bit of a danger of a reader seeing the &#8220;lesson&#8221; that interracial attraction really is &#8220;unnatural&#8221; and that there actually is a core of truth to racial prejudice (seeing members of non-caucasian races as physically and mentally inferior, in a state between human and animal). So I prefer to see Hank&#8217;s predicament &#8211; like that of the various non-mutants I&#8217;ve mentioned &#8211; as more akin to the situation of a person injured and disfigured in an accident or due to prenatal damage (vide Thalidomide/Contergan etc.).</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Menshevik I think we&#039;ll just have to agree to disagree.  You&#039;ve certainly made a stronger case against his cat form than I usually hear (boiling down to &quot;It looks dumb!&quot;).  Thank you for sharing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Menshevik I think we&#8217;ll just have to agree to disagree.  You&#8217;ve certainly made a stronger case against his cat form than I usually hear (boiling down to &#8220;It looks dumb!&#8221;).  Thank you for sharing.</p>
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		<title>By: Menshevik</title>
		<link>http://fantasticfangirls.org/?p=686&#038;cpage=1#comment-1037</link>
		<dc:creator>Menshevik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jennifer
My 2 Eurocents:
ad 1) Insert &quot;not attractive&quot; or &quot;not pretty&quot; or &quot;different from the privileged norm&quot; for &quot;ugly&quot; according to preference. I&#039;m still not convinced that physical differences are necessary to the the whole &quot;protecting a world that hates them&quot; shtick, but the racial-minority-that-can&#039;t-pass metaphor worked just as well with mutants like ape-like Hank and lots of others, most notably Nightcrawler.
ad 2) and 3) Maybe I should also have mentioned Wolfsbane, or Sasquatch or Catseye or Hank&#039;s fellow Avenger Tigra for animal-like. Or even Squirrel Girl with her bushy tail and freakishly large teeth? I still see no necessity for changing Hank further, especially as after a very short while Hank was back to being popular and beloved among the people he associates with. 
ad 4) Well, the uncomfortable sex aspect definitely is there with the Thing. And Hank had some pretty scary canines in his &quot;ape&quot; form.
ad 5) Well, I did not disagree about the self-alienation part to start with, although I would say that Hank already had that in his &quot;ape&quot; form, at least to start with, and could easily have been written like that again (having a relapse, as it were) without changing his outward appearance. Not to mention that we&#039;ve also been down that road with Wolfsbane (who once even fell in love with a wolf).
ad 6) and 7) Okay. Of course then Hank still is no different from non-mutants with a similar predicament (see 2) and 3)) and thus the racial metaphor is no longer appropriate in Hank&#039;s case.
ad 8) To someone who hates Trish, wouldn&#039;t a bigger focus on Hank physical transformation in X-Factor have been an indication that she&#039;s a superficial person? Anyway, I checked X-Factor #36 (the first issue where Trish and Hank interact after the transformation) and Hank&#039;s smartness was not the overriding factor. It was only mentioned once, as one of a whole list of changes. And other factors got mentioned more: 
On p. 3 she tells Hank re. his transformation: &quot;It&#039;s ... unsettling, too, of course. Not just your physical appearance, it&#039;s...&quot; (Hank then brusquely turns and leaves her standing, not exactly creating the impression that he wanted to give Trish any more time to adjust to the change after she apparently distanced herself from him for a while). 
On p. 11 she tells Iceman: &quot;Just ... try and understand, okay? The Hank I knew ... well, he was special. Handsome, gentle, and vulnerable... if not too bright. The Beast is a strong, cocky genius with fur and fangs and a glib rap. I&#039;m glad he recovered ... even in this state, but I don&#039;t know him anymore. He doesn&#039;t need me. He ... frightens me.&quot;
On p. 17 she thinks, while rejecting his offer of a hand after the defeat of an anthropomorphisized subway train: &quot;It&#039;s not the fur. I could get used to the fur. It&#039;s the chatter. Like this is all some massive joke. Can&#039;t he see how scared I am. How scared we all are?&quot;
The two reconnect during the battle and on p. 25, at the first (parting) kiss post-transformation Trish says: &quot;Not one crack or flip remark, just go. [...] You&#039;re not the Hank I knew ... but you&#039;re a guy I&#039;d like to know a whole lot better.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jennifer<br />
My 2 Eurocents:<br />
ad 1) Insert &#8220;not attractive&#8221; or &#8220;not pretty&#8221; or &#8220;different from the privileged norm&#8221; for &#8220;ugly&#8221; according to preference. I&#8217;m still not convinced that physical differences are necessary to the the whole &#8220;protecting a world that hates them&#8221; shtick, but the racial-minority-that-can&#8217;t-pass metaphor worked just as well with mutants like ape-like Hank and lots of others, most notably Nightcrawler.<br />
ad 2) and 3) Maybe I should also have mentioned Wolfsbane, or Sasquatch or Catseye or Hank&#8217;s fellow Avenger Tigra for animal-like. Or even Squirrel Girl with her bushy tail and freakishly large teeth? I still see no necessity for changing Hank further, especially as after a very short while Hank was back to being popular and beloved among the people he associates with.<br />
ad 4) Well, the uncomfortable sex aspect definitely is there with the Thing. And Hank had some pretty scary canines in his &#8220;ape&#8221; form.<br />
ad 5) Well, I did not disagree about the self-alienation part to start with, although I would say that Hank already had that in his &#8220;ape&#8221; form, at least to start with, and could easily have been written like that again (having a relapse, as it were) without changing his outward appearance. Not to mention that we&#8217;ve also been down that road with Wolfsbane (who once even fell in love with a wolf).<br />
ad 6) and 7) Okay. Of course then Hank still is no different from non-mutants with a similar predicament (see 2) and 3)) and thus the racial metaphor is no longer appropriate in Hank&#8217;s case.<br />
ad <img src='http://fantasticfangirls.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> To someone who hates Trish, wouldn&#8217;t a bigger focus on Hank physical transformation in X-Factor have been an indication that she&#8217;s a superficial person? Anyway, I checked X-Factor #36 (the first issue where Trish and Hank interact after the transformation) and Hank&#8217;s smartness was not the overriding factor. It was only mentioned once, as one of a whole list of changes. And other factors got mentioned more:<br />
On p. 3 she tells Hank re. his transformation: &#8220;It&#8217;s &#8230; unsettling, too, of course. Not just your physical appearance, it&#8217;s&#8230;&#8221; (Hank then brusquely turns and leaves her standing, not exactly creating the impression that he wanted to give Trish any more time to adjust to the change after she apparently distanced herself from him for a while).<br />
On p. 11 she tells Iceman: &#8220;Just &#8230; try and understand, okay? The Hank I knew &#8230; well, he was special. Handsome, gentle, and vulnerable&#8230; if not too bright. The Beast is a strong, cocky genius with fur and fangs and a glib rap. I&#8217;m glad he recovered &#8230; even in this state, but I don&#8217;t know him anymore. He doesn&#8217;t need me. He &#8230; frightens me.&#8221;<br />
On p. 17 she thinks, while rejecting his offer of a hand after the defeat of an anthropomorphisized subway train: &#8220;It&#8217;s not the fur. I could get used to the fur. It&#8217;s the chatter. Like this is all some massive joke. Can&#8217;t he see how scared I am. How scared we all are?&#8221;<br />
The two reconnect during the battle and on p. 25, at the first (parting) kiss post-transformation Trish says: &#8220;Not one crack or flip remark, just go. [...] You&#8217;re not the Hank I knew &#8230; but you&#8217;re a guy I&#8217;d like to know a whole lot better.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: lilacsigil</title>
		<link>http://fantasticfangirls.org/?p=686&#038;cpage=1#comment-1005</link>
		<dc:creator>lilacsigil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 04:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to be all analytical, but instead I&#039;m all full of squee and Hank-love. Squee! Hugs! More hugs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to be all analytical, but instead I&#8217;m all full of squee and Hank-love. Squee! Hugs! More hugs!</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://fantasticfangirls.org/?p=686&#038;cpage=1#comment-1004</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 00:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Menshevik

Ok, here goes:

1.)	As I said in my first comment, I never used the word &quot;ugly.&quot;  I did use the word &quot;pretty,&quot; and that was probably poor word choice on my part.  But the point I was trying to make was one of physical difference from the privileged norm.  The original five X-Men didn&#039;t so much have that, and I think the racial metaphor works much better when they&#039;re a minority group that can&#039;t &quot;pass.&quot;

2.)	I don&#039;t disagree with this, but I don&#039;t see how the cat form is any less functional in that way.  And while it&#039;s true that the ape functions metaphorically like you said, based on common stereotypes and historical comparisons, the fact is that Hank WASN&#039;T treated that way as an ape -- he was popular and beloved.

3.)	I talk about Hank&#039;s Avengers history very plainly in this essay; no need for a reminder.  But that&#039;s my point -- while he should have been alienated (and while his mutation WAS originally used that way, in Amazing Adventures), he wasn&#039;t, and thus his ape form lost its metaphorical usefulness.  Furthermore, the difference between Hank and the Hulk, Thing, and others is that he&#039;s been transformed into an &lt;i&gt;animal&lt;/i&gt;.  Something very specifically sub-human.  That&#039;s why the metaphor is stronger -- much stronger than it is when a person is a fantastical pile of rocks.  And Hank, unlike the Thing, didn&#039;t have any physical limitations in his ape form, so he didn&#039;t even have that much alienation to deal with.

4.)	Once again, &quot;ugler&quot; and &quot;less attractive&quot; have nothing to do with it.  I&#039;m simply saying that it&#039;s much, much more believable for someone to have sexual interest in a human-acting monkey, which has basically the same anatomy as a human, than a cat, which is fundamentally anatomically different in important ways, particularly in the mouth and genitalia.

5.)	It&#039;s not so much about the public reaction as it is Hank&#039;s internal feelings of alienation.  The Thing still feels alienated frequently, despite the fact that the world loves him and he&#039;s part of the &quot;family&quot; of the Fantastic Four.  Hank feels alienated from both his society and from HIMSELF, because he&#039;s not sure if he&#039;s a man or an animal.  And that makes a lot more sense when he&#039;s dealing with animalistic senses and emotions and a lack of fingers.

6.)	Marvel Comics have, since the beginning, come up with all sorts of pseudo-science to explain changing or developing powers.  I fail to see how Morrison&#039;s introduction of secondary mutations was at all new or different.  Morrison puts enough fake science in to explain the secondary mutation.  I don&#039;t see how it&#039;s any more unreasonable than the idea that a single gene can cause both metal skin and telekinesis in separate people is to begin with.

7.)	Technically, Hank&#039;s transformation this time was also caused by an outside agent -- Sage&#039;s intervention.  She jumpstarted his mutation to save his life in X-Treme X-Men.  Since the original chemical he ingested to become blue and furry was &quot;the chemical cause of mutation,&quot; and its effects were therefore still directly related to his original mutant gene, I don&#039;t see how this new outside agent was any different.

8.)	We&#039;re going to have to disagree here -- I hate Trish, and I&#039;ve always hated that relationship.  The thing about Trish in X-Factor was that she never really had a problem with his being blue and furry -- in fact, when he transforms back, she&#039;s most upset by the fact that he&#039;s SMART.  This always came off as creepy and awful, to me -- she only liked him because he had the mind of a child?  Either way, I buy that someone as conscious of her career as Trish was would be put off by the news speculating on her sexual relationship with a man who had the anatomy of a cat.  Remember, this isn&#039;t Tigra we&#039;re talking about -- Hank isn&#039;t a cat-man.  He&#039;s just a giant cat, plain and simple, and though I don&#039;t like Trish, I also don&#039;t blame her for being a little freaked out.  (However, the less said about the &quot;pretending to be gay&quot; storyline that followed, the better.  I hate that almost as much as I hate the psychic affair.)

I think I&#039;ve addressed all of your questions, but feel free to respond with your own two cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Menshevik</p>
<p>Ok, here goes:</p>
<p>1.)	As I said in my first comment, I never used the word &#8220;ugly.&#8221;  I did use the word &#8220;pretty,&#8221; and that was probably poor word choice on my part.  But the point I was trying to make was one of physical difference from the privileged norm.  The original five X-Men didn&#8217;t so much have that, and I think the racial metaphor works much better when they&#8217;re a minority group that can&#8217;t &#8220;pass.&#8221;</p>
<p>2.)	I don&#8217;t disagree with this, but I don&#8217;t see how the cat form is any less functional in that way.  And while it&#8217;s true that the ape functions metaphorically like you said, based on common stereotypes and historical comparisons, the fact is that Hank WASN&#8217;T treated that way as an ape &#8212; he was popular and beloved.</p>
<p>3.)	I talk about Hank&#8217;s Avengers history very plainly in this essay; no need for a reminder.  But that&#8217;s my point &#8212; while he should have been alienated (and while his mutation WAS originally used that way, in Amazing Adventures), he wasn&#8217;t, and thus his ape form lost its metaphorical usefulness.  Furthermore, the difference between Hank and the Hulk, Thing, and others is that he&#8217;s been transformed into an <i>animal</i>.  Something very specifically sub-human.  That&#8217;s why the metaphor is stronger &#8212; much stronger than it is when a person is a fantastical pile of rocks.  And Hank, unlike the Thing, didn&#8217;t have any physical limitations in his ape form, so he didn&#8217;t even have that much alienation to deal with.</p>
<p>4.)	Once again, &#8220;ugler&#8221; and &#8220;less attractive&#8221; have nothing to do with it.  I&#8217;m simply saying that it&#8217;s much, much more believable for someone to have sexual interest in a human-acting monkey, which has basically the same anatomy as a human, than a cat, which is fundamentally anatomically different in important ways, particularly in the mouth and genitalia.</p>
<p>5.)	It&#8217;s not so much about the public reaction as it is Hank&#8217;s internal feelings of alienation.  The Thing still feels alienated frequently, despite the fact that the world loves him and he&#8217;s part of the &#8220;family&#8221; of the Fantastic Four.  Hank feels alienated from both his society and from HIMSELF, because he&#8217;s not sure if he&#8217;s a man or an animal.  And that makes a lot more sense when he&#8217;s dealing with animalistic senses and emotions and a lack of fingers.</p>
<p>6.)	Marvel Comics have, since the beginning, come up with all sorts of pseudo-science to explain changing or developing powers.  I fail to see how Morrison&#8217;s introduction of secondary mutations was at all new or different.  Morrison puts enough fake science in to explain the secondary mutation.  I don&#8217;t see how it&#8217;s any more unreasonable than the idea that a single gene can cause both metal skin and telekinesis in separate people is to begin with.</p>
<p>7.)	Technically, Hank&#8217;s transformation this time was also caused by an outside agent &#8212; Sage&#8217;s intervention.  She jumpstarted his mutation to save his life in X-Treme X-Men.  Since the original chemical he ingested to become blue and furry was &#8220;the chemical cause of mutation,&#8221; and its effects were therefore still directly related to his original mutant gene, I don&#8217;t see how this new outside agent was any different.</p>
<p>8.)	We&#8217;re going to have to disagree here &#8212; I hate Trish, and I&#8217;ve always hated that relationship.  The thing about Trish in X-Factor was that she never really had a problem with his being blue and furry &#8212; in fact, when he transforms back, she&#8217;s most upset by the fact that he&#8217;s SMART.  This always came off as creepy and awful, to me &#8212; she only liked him because he had the mind of a child?  Either way, I buy that someone as conscious of her career as Trish was would be put off by the news speculating on her sexual relationship with a man who had the anatomy of a cat.  Remember, this isn&#8217;t Tigra we&#8217;re talking about &#8212; Hank isn&#8217;t a cat-man.  He&#8217;s just a giant cat, plain and simple, and though I don&#8217;t like Trish, I also don&#8217;t blame her for being a little freaked out.  (However, the less said about the &#8220;pretending to be gay&#8221; storyline that followed, the better.  I hate that almost as much as I hate the psychic affair.)</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;ve addressed all of your questions, but feel free to respond with your own two cents.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://fantasticfangirls.org/?p=686&#038;cpage=1#comment-1003</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 00:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@euthanatos, @Sarah Thank you!  I&#039;m happy the Hank love is widespread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@euthanatos, @Sarah Thank you!  I&#8217;m happy the Hank love is widespread.</p>
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		<title>By: euthanatos</title>
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		<dc:creator>euthanatos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Had never given Hank much thought, although I always thought him cool and love his stiff upper lip humor! Great read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had never given Hank much thought, although I always thought him cool and love his stiff upper lip humor! Great read.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Menshevik I&#039;ll take time to rebut each of your points later, but I&#039;d like to point out, just to start, that I never used the word &quot;ugly&quot; in this essay.  In fact, I don&#039;t think ugliness is the point at all.  It&#039;s &quot;beastliness&quot; -- being like an animal -- that&#039;s the core point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Menshevik I&#8217;ll take time to rebut each of your points later, but I&#8217;d like to point out, just to start, that I never used the word &#8220;ugly&#8221; in this essay.  In fact, I don&#8217;t think ugliness is the point at all.  It&#8217;s &#8220;beastliness&#8221; &#8212; being like an animal &#8212; that&#8217;s the core point.</p>
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