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The following contains spoilers for the film Thor: The Dark World.
MARIE: Did you see Thor 2 during opening day? I ordered my tickets ahead of time to see it the night of November 8th, but I know some people ordered theirs for the midnight premier.
ANIKA: I saw it Saturday morning with my daughter. She’s eight so we do matinees.
ALI: We saw a midnight showing last night and I just woke up.
ANIKA: Oki doki Loki, let’s start with a quick summary of your thoughts and/or feelings:
ALI: It was amazeballs. It was just so much fun. It was two hours of action and adventures and funny, sharp dialogue.
MARIE: Co-signed. It was absolutely fun! Very different in tone from the first Thor.
ANIKA: Interesting! How would you describe the tone of the first?
MARIE: I first went to see Thor because Kenneth Brannagh was directing. The first Thor felt very much like a Shakespearian drama. You have the two brothers vying for the throne–one has to learn humility while the other one is consumed by pride. It felt a lot like a play.
ANIKA: Yes, I agree. And this one constantly reminded me of Star Wars.
MARIE: Awesome. In what way did it remind you of Star Wars?
ALI: It was super space drama-y. I think because they spent so much time on Asgard and Svartelfheim. Also there were a LOT of lasers.
ANIKA: And a skif race. And it had a lot of new alien mythology. And technology.
MARIE: Yes, and prophecies!
ALI: I think they made a bigger effort to establish the nine realms as “planets” and the movie kind of separated itself from the mythology this time.
MARIE: I’m glad we got to see glimpses of the other Nine Realms. The effects of the “dimension-switching” during the action sequence towards the end were also pretty svelt. Physics took a definite turn here and it looked like they had a lot of fun playing with that.
ALI: Mjolnir “chasing” Thor felt like something out of a cartoon, it was brilliant.
ANIKA: The last battle was well choreographed and fun.
MARIE: I also loved the fact that Darcy called Mjolnir, Meow Meow. Great reference to the first Thor.
ALI: Oh Darcy! She’s just the greatest. I love that we got to see her “on her own” more in this, instead of just following Jane and Selvig around.
MARIE: Yes! She even has her own intern this time.
ANIKA: Do we like Ian?
ALI: We like Ian. He’s adorable.
ANIKA: I would love a TV series or ongoing comic about the five of them living in London, in that one apartment.
MARIE: Oh my Odin! That would be perfect.
ANIKA: It would be my favourite thing ever.
MARIE: I liked how Thor 2 expanded the roles of previous characters. I loved how they brought Frigga forward– she had such little screen time in the first one.
ALI: Oh Frigga.
ALI: I love her so much. All the sadz.
ANIKA: I do too, though it was a little bit “we’re gonna build her up to die”.
MARIE: I definitely felt a kind of vibe where the director was like, “Okay, so we have to make Loki and Thor work together, but what’s the best way to do that?” And Frigga was something they had in common.
ANIKA: I’m not complaining she got more to do. She was legit my favorite part of the teaser preview and she lived up to that and it’s beautiful that she is the connection…but I felt manipulated a little, so it took me out of the sad?
ALI: Yeah – it did feel a bit like they fridged Frigga.
ANIKA: I’m also irrationally mad that Odin has the voiceover at the beginning but then Thor says that Frigga told him the story. It should be her telling us the story, too!
MARIE: Given what happens to Frigga, it would be kind of touching to have her narrate a la American Beauty.
ALI: Was it just me or did the post death scenes seem really elaborate? Like they did the full viking funeral for Frigga with like 100 boats and floating lights and everything. And when Loki “dies” on Svartelfheim there’s a lot of sweeping dunes and epically sad music.
MARIE: Loki’s death was so glossed over. Like ten minutes later, we’re in London laughing at Thor taking the tube to Greenwich. It was at that moment where I knew he hadn’t left. Or rather, Loki was not “done.”
ANIKA: Aeris cried for Loki, it was so sweet. I didn’t believe he was dead. And I’m pretty sure when Odin said “Loki” he was saying “You are Loki” not “Oh, Loki died“.
MARIE: Ah ha! Of course, Loki’s become such a fan favorite that I think the studio would be hard-pressed to let him go. Everyone in the audience just couldn’t wait for him to come onto the screen.
ANIKA: Yeah, that’s the problem with a performance that resonates. Some of Loki’s stuff came across as fan service to me, too.
MARIE: I did enjoy the Captain America cameo though.
ALI: It was perfect. So, so perfect. And I’m pretty sure Chris Evans was doing his Lucas Lee voice from Scott Pilgrim, which made it even more hilarious. “Let’s talk about honesty and righteousness!”
ANIKA: Cap was great, I imagine Chris Evans had a blast. But the Loki and Sif stuff seemed random… actually everything Sif did seemed pretty random or shoe horned.
ALI: Yeah – I’m not sure I like her kind of pining over Thor. More ass-kicking, less mooning please.
ANIKA: I couldn’t tell what her feelings really were.
MARIE: I didn’t like how the trailers made it look like she might have had it out for Jane Foster.
ANIKA: Well the movie did too, but then nothing ever happened. I feel like there was a scene missing.
ALI: I think so.
ANIKA: That’s my comment for the whole film — there are missing scenes. Like Hogun.
ALI: Hogun they said in the beginning battle that he was going to stay there with his family. I mean, it was lame and rushed…
ANIKA: I know, but then he looks at the sky in the end battle. That one glance seemed out of place to me. I expected him to pop through at an opportune moment but he never did.
MARIE: I don’t feel they utilized his character well at all. And I do feel that scenes were cut short. Like the scene where Sif rescues Jane might have been extended, but they had to rush forward and continue with Thor’s plot.
ANIKA: There were pacing issues.
MARIE: YES! That was one of the things that kept niggling at me. The odd pacing. Although I usually try to give movies a little more slack than television. You only have 2-3 hours to spend with these characters versus a whole season. Plus there’s a whole lot more politicking with the creative process.
ALI: It did feel a bit uneven at times… I don’t know, I was pretty much completely absorbed from the moment I sat down. So I think I missed a lot of stuff like that.
ANIKA: It was absorbing, no doubt. But disjointed.
ANIKA: Do we have anything to say about the villain?
ALI: He was a bad guy.
MARIE: Although I enjoyed the villain, I had a little bit of trouble understanding Doctor Who’s…I mean Malekith’s motivation. So…he wants to return the universe to its original state of darkness? To what end?
ALI: Yeah – he felt like a token bad guy who just wanted to destroy the universe because REASONS.
ANIKA: I found him completely generic. Though I think that was also kind of the point. My favorite bit related to him was when Thor asked Odin how he was different from Malekith and he answered “I’ll win”.
MARIE: That line from Odin really jumped out at me
ANIKA: It basically made the movie for me.
ALI: Odin is pretty much a dick. I mean, I think they establish that in the first film a bit, but he’s not a nice guy.
MARIE: I felt the first one tried to establish Odin as a wise protector (and I am only going off the first move alone). But then in this one, they really nodded over to the fact that like…he was pretty much the worst imperialist ever.
ANIKA: I really want to see more of the four of them, like a family drama prequel.
MARIE: Do we like what the movie did with Jane Foster?
ALI: She fainted a lot. I think it would have been better or at least more interesting if the Aether made her evil instead of making her faint all the time.
MARIE: I wanted her to go all Willow Rosenberg: Season 6 on everything.
ANIKA: Her Aetherness was a super convenient plot device that made her sleepy and she spent a lot of the movie looking sad about Thor’s family.
ALI: And I didn’t really like that she kind of gave up on science because she was moping over Thor. When Darcy crashes her date and she’s like “you know, the stuff you used to care about” I was a bit bummed.
MARIE: Her weird guy problems were tedious.
ALI: I liked when she slapped Thor.
ALI: And Loki.
ANIKA: I loved her in the final battle. She was playing Portal.
MARIE: Pretty much!
ALI: That was awesome!
ANIKA: And she ran into danger a lot and yelled at people.
ALI: She was great when she was awake.
MARIE: I liked how Eric Selvig wandered around naked in Stonehenge.
ALI: I loved that. But they never explain it! Like, he’s gone mad and then he’s fine again.
MARIE: Yeah, that was bizarre. Was he suffering from post-Avengers stress??
ALI: That I got. But like Darcy shows up and aside from the not wearing pants he’s fully functional?
MARIE: Yup. The plot kind of needed him to be, since he and Jane were playing Portal Co-Op.
ANIKA: I found it plausible because she told him he was right, the world was breaking apart again. His reality was affirmed.
MARIE: Did anyone find Loki showing up at the end on Odin’s throne predictable or an actual surprise?
ALI: I was surprised. I actually said WHUUUUUUT out loud.
ANIKA: I’m not sure. I wasn’t surprised? But it wasn’t as predictable as him being not dead or not evil earlier. I actually really like the idea. He just rules Asgard for a while. I bet he’s great at it.
MARIE: I think that also opens up interesting possibilities for Thor 3.
ALI: I want Beta Ray Bill to be in Thor 3 SO BADLY.
ANIKA: I want Thor 3 to be my fivesome in their London flat and a separate film called Asgard about the rest of them.
MARIE: I would love a separate film about Asgard. I don’t think I really got a sense of the place in either the first Thor or the sequel.
ANIKA: Can we talk about the first after credits scene? I seriously thought they were in a shop in L.A. at first. Then I got worried about what Guardians of the Galaxy will look like.
MARIE: Yeah, I got the shocks when I recognized Benecio Del Toro.
ALI: As soon as they walked in I was yelling in my head ARE YOU CRAZY? DO NOT TRUST THIS GUY! ABORT! ABORT!
MARIE: My first thoughts after that scene were, “They’re probably going to REALLY regret that.”
ANIKA: Yes, no idea why they would think that was a good idea. But I just really thought it was supposed to be a funny scene about Sif visiting Hollywood until they were handing over the thing. Dark Elf Doctor Malekith looked like an alien but Pink Cat Girl looked like an actress dressed up as an alien.
ALI: I’m not sure how I feel about this double post-credit scene strategy. It feels a bit self-important. I liked when it was an Easter egg kind of thing that gave you a clue about what’s next. But now it’s like, let’s give them something “mysterious” early and then something funny at the very end. I’m not sure I like it.
ANIKA: I have a long standing grievance against after credit scenes. I know I don’t like it.
MARIE: For me, it’s lost its glimmer. What I thought was a Marvel Studio signature is now kind of tiresome.
ALI: Yeah – it’s not special anymore. And they’re getting a bit too inside baseball. I have to explain them to non comic readers because they’re just confused mostly.
ANIKA: I would have ended the film with Thor and Jane’s kiss and had no after scenes.
ALI: The romping frost beast was pretty adorable though.
ANIKA: Okay, true.
MARIE: Yes! I loved how they ventured into Jotunheim for a bit. The frost beast was one of my favorite things from the first movie.
Do you think Alan Taylor pulled it off? I know they marketed him as the director brought over from Game of Thrones. I enjoyed the stylistic differences overall.
ALI: I think so, yeah.
ANIKA: Pulled it off, yes. But I really do have a lot of issues with the cut of the film.
ALI: It’d be interesting to see if there’s a directors cut. I mean, there’s a lot more than just a director I think. And I’m sure Marvel Studios is getting more and more involved.
ANIKA: Yes and I would be unsurprised if the studio is responsible for most of my issues. I think there is a great film struggling to get out of a successful film. But that said, I did absolutely enjoy it and I want to see it again already.
MARIE: Those are my thoughts as well. Great film overall, and would definitely see it again. It was able to hold its own despite whatever faults it had with technical issues like pacing and character development and whatnot.
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