Q&A #157: What is your favorite historical event that has been incorporated into a comic?

May 15th, 2012 by Anika

In Q & A, a weekly feature of Fantastic Fangirls, we ask our staff to tackle a simple question — then open the floor to comments.

What is your favorite historical event that has been incorporated into a comic?


Anika

My favorite historical event is the American Revolution. See Liberty’s Kids, National Treasure, 1776, John Adams. I’ve been to Concord, MA on Patriots Day and Philadelphia, PA for the 4th of July. I own this outfit. I’m often angry at my country but I love the story of its beginnings. It’s a romance.

The Dreamer by Lora Innes is a webcomic that I first encountered as a trade two years ago in Baltimore. I picked it up and gushed about the art to the young woman (dressed as a revolutionary) at the table not realizing she was the creator. When I figured it out I couldn’t NOT buy the book (and let her sign it) but I’m happy I did. Dreamer is about a modern high school girl, a theater geek, who is transported into the American Revolution when she goes to sleep at night. Thematically it’s closest to Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane and it wouldn’t be out of place on the Paranormal Teen Romance shelf. It’s not for everyone but it is very much for ME.


Caroline

I was tempted to mention that time Nelson Rockefeller got possessed by the Serpet Crown, but I guess that didn’t technically occur in “our” dimension.

Forced to settle on an event from actual history, I used this question as an excuse to catch up with a graphic novel I had bought a while ago but hadn’t read: Petrograd, by Philip Gelatt and Tyler Crook. Set in 1916 and 1917, this story follows events in the capital of Russia (known as St. Petersburg or Leningrad at other times in history, but “Petrograd” during those years). Although told through the fictionalized perspective of a British intelligence agent, Petrograd deals with real events. Particularly, it centers around the assassination of Rasputin, and, as far as colorful historical events, this one is hard to beat. Rasputin was poisoned (to no effect), then shot, stabbed, wrapped in a rug, and thrown into a river. (The book leaves out the part where he returns as king of the vampires, but that’s well-mined territory in genre fiction and we can forgive Gelatt and Crook for sticking to “facts.”)

While it would be pretty hard to make the Rasputin story boring (says the Russian history nerd, who might be a little biased), the creators of this book nonetheless went beyond the call of duty. Crook’s art is great (a stylized palette reminiscent of Darwyn Cooke’s Parker series, in red/browns instead of blue/greens), and the story captures the desperation of wartime Russia, blended into a classic espionage story.


Jennifer

Somewhat unsurprisingly, since the first comic I ever read was Maus, I’ve always looked at comics and history as compatible narrative forms. Comics allow for impressionistic or realistic depictions of historical settings, characters, and events, depending on what’s necessary, with no limit in terms of budget or casting and the possibility of multiple intersecting points of view.

My love of history is a big part of my love for Captain America, because stories about Cap can take into account pretty much any era of American (and, during WWII, world) history since about 1920. Cap comics have tackled everything from the Depression to WWII to the Civil Rights movement to Watergate to 9/11, and though they’ve had varying levels of success, I always appreciate the attempts to bring real historical perspective into stories about a character who so consciously embodies the themes of American history.

For an absolute favorite, however, I might have to go with the Marvels miniseries by Kurt Busiek and Alex Ross. In some ways, Marvels turns this question on its head — instead of incorporating a single historical event into a comic book universe, Marvels manages to mesh an entire historical era with the presence of superheroes, making those heroes the “historical events” superimposed onto that time. By sticking to the point of view of a single civilian character and following his life in New York from the 1940s through the 1960s, we’re able to see firsthand how the presence of heroes in those years would have played out on a grand scale, in a way the actual Silver Age comics never quite portrayed. It’s an awesome concept, with awesome execution, and it remains one of my favorite comic book stories.


Sigrid

I think my favorite (at the moment) is the recent Gone to Amerikay by Derek Mc Culloch and Colleen Doran. It’s a lovely, serious look at three generations of Irish immigrants to New York City.

Past favorites have included Frank Miller’s 300 — weak on history, but powerful in art — and Sandman #39, “Soft Places”. “Soft Places” isn’t exactly straight-up history, but like all of Sandman it pulls on myth and story from a variety of sources. Much as Marco Polo did himself. This issue tells a story of Marco Polo that could have happened, in a place and time that really did exist.


So what about you? What is your favorite historical event that has been incorporated into a comic?

Roundtable: Marvel’s The Avengers

May 14th, 2012 by Anika

Sigrid: I saw the movie about fours days after everyone else, and by the time I did I –

Well, wait. Do we need to summarize the movie here for people? Is anyone reading this who does not know that The Avengers is Marvel’s latest movie? I’m going to take it as read that everyone knows this. I certainly could not avoid it the entire weekend I was resentfully avoiding the internet, hoping to go into the film somewhat spoiler-free. (I did not succeed in this goal.)

By the time I did see it, I knew that nothing could live up to the hype I’d heard. No movie could be as good as the one people were describing. And I was partially right. I did not see the movie the internet glimpses had revealed to me — a story about Loki and his brother Thor, Steve and his boyfriend Tony, and the powerhouse that is Agent Phil Coulson. I saw, instead, a different film, one that was more nuanced and self-aware while also being an utterly straight-up superhero film, than the one I’d been expecting.

I thoroughly enjoyed The Avengers, or, as I’ve started to call it in my head, The Indispensability of The Black Widow and The Hulk.

Anika: Oh, fun! I’d call it Tony Stark and His Amazing Friends. Possibly I am biased. Also Black Widow Deserves a Film. And Loki Wibbles. Okay, I’m totally biased. You guys are just lucky I’m not calling it The Tony and Pepper Show Plus 2.5 Hours of Other Stuff. Except where I just did!

Anyway, I saw it at midnight that first Friday and was able to avoid spoilers. And it pretty much exceeded my expectations — going in my husband said I was weird because I seemed more excited about the “random Spider-Man film” coming out in July than the “biggest comic book movie EVER”. But I was scared! There has been so much build up…how could it possibly live up to the promise? But it did. I don’t know if it lived up to the hype but I do think it lived up to the promise. And did well by the superteam that has always been my favorite even if it wasn’t the line up I love best.

Caroline: I will continue to call this film what I have called it since I saw a fortuitous juxtaposition of movie titles on a theater marquee last summer: Captain America: Friends with Benefits.

Seriously, I like that we can come up with all of these alternative titles, because it suggests that the different parts of the film were well-balanced. I came away from the film most intrigued and impressed by what it said about Steve Rogers, and completely blown away by the subtlety and effectiveness of Chris Evans’ performance. At the same time, I’ve heard the point made that he actually had one of the least-developed plot arcs in the movie, and I can see that this is objectively true. Yet it was exactly what I needed from a Captain America movie, effectively providing the final act that I don’t think the original Captain America movie quite stuck the landing on.

I also loved the Black Widow story (featuring Hawkeye), I loved the Hulk story, I was pleased by the development of Tony and. . .well, truthfully, I’m never going to be super-invested in Thor and Loki, and, looking back, I’m a little ho-hum on most of the SHIELD stuff. But the movie clipped along at such a nice pace that I didn’t have time to ho-hum anything while I was watching.

Jennifer: My own alternate titles for this film are Joss Whedon Understands Captain America and Joss Whedon Fixes What Went Wrong with Dr. Horrible.

Both of these titles involve the words “Joss Whedon,” and I think it’s only fair to give him the most credit here, as the director and primary screenwriter. I agree with everything my co-bloggers have said above, but particularly the points about Captain America. This is my Cap, so much more than he ever was in his own movie. And I feel like Whedon was keyed into the same anxieties I had about the first film — the attempts to make Steve more hardcore to show his badassery, the mockery of his costume and pop culture resonance. Here, we had Coulson (a character we’re all supposed to see as the epitome of cool, calm, adult responsibility and togetherness) being an unabashed Cap fanboy, and adamantly saying that we need “a little old-fashioned,” as represented by Cap’s red, white, and blue costume. (And oh, I loved this bright costume so much more than the first one.) We had Steve as strong and capable and a brilliant leader who could also be a little goofy (the flying monkeys exchange is my FAVORITE in the film), and he never once cursed or advocated for extremism. I was partially terrified that we’d get Ultimate Cap here, and we got exactly the opposite.

But I also think this film represents real growth and maturity for Joss Whedon, especially with the superhero genre. I’m not a Whedonite in the purest sense — I never cared very much about Buffy or Angel — but I adore Firefly and when I first got into comics, it was Whedon’s run on Astonishing X-Men that served as my introduction to the Marvel Universe. I knew from the beginning that Whedon + superheroes was a thing I’d enjoy. But I found myself disappointed by Dr. Horrible and the way it attempted to subvert superhero tropes (especially the fridging of a female character) by… replicating them. As a result, I was a little worried about how he’d handle this film, especially with the gender imbalance of the team. But this was a film in which every single character who was killed-to-provide-motivation or put-in-danger-to-be-saved was a white, straight male. This, among many other things, proves to me that Whedon is keenly aware of both the strengths and weaknesses of the superhero genre, and he managed to play to the former while avoiding, and even subverting, the latter.

So yeah, I really loved this film.

Sigrid: Something for everyone is an excellent way of viewing the film. I think that not only applies to the fans, fannish responses, and the other movie-goers who may not have been fans before they saw it. I think that also applies to some very, very skillful writing, directing, and performance.

It’s one of the difficulties of superteams that the writer needs to provide something for each character to do. And if one of your characters is a god who can defeat immortals, and another is a spy with a pistol, what can they each contribute? How do you find balance? The Avengers gives us something for each character to do without seeming contrived or forced. Natasha is sent to get Banner and bring him in. This makes Watsonian, in-universe, sense because, as she points out, she can’t go get Stark, Stark hates her. But it also makes Doylist, meta-narrative sense. We need to see that Hulk is dangerous. We need to understand this without being exposited at. By establishing Natasha in her first scene as an operative of unparalled calm and cool, and then showing her rank fear at Bruce’s display of temper, we understand. We understand Banner, we understand Natasha, we understand something about the Hulk. The plot has advanced, each character was developed, and the scene didn’t lag or falter.

I thought the entire film was like this.

Caroline: Wow, this is going to be a great big agree-fest isn’t it? Even though we’re agreeing from different angles, I think even that points to the strength of the film.

So, yes, I agree with the points above and, to bring it back to Whedon — first of all, I think it’s pretty safe to refer to him as the primary ‘author’ of this movie. He’s the only writer credited with the screenplay (and think for a minute how rare that is for a blockbuster film of any kind, much less a superhero film), and he’s basically said that he threw Zak Penn’s initial screenplay out and started from scratch.

I’ve got nothing against screenwriting teams, or artistic collaboration. Also, while I have made no secret of being a huge Whedon nerd who is fascinated with the arc of his career, I’m not one of the “Whedon Can Do No Wrong” kind of fans. In this case, though, I think that having a single driving storyteller for the movie is a huge advantage. Avengers requires narrative threads from four different franchises to be brought together, not to mention the introduction of a completely new storyline involving Black Widow and Hawkeye.

As I think is inevitable with a film this big, I’ve read some supremely silly things about it. For example, this GQ article about Whedon ties itself in knots in order to assert that Joss is the most creative guy working in Hollywood and that basically everybody else in a related genre is just ripping him off. This line of argument seems to miss the point of Whedon’s career to a remarkable degree. His work certainly has its wild, inventive aspects, but he’s never struck me as interested in telling brand new stories that “transcend genre” or any of that garbage. Rather, what he’s proved himself to be is an outstanding integrator of existing tropes and story structures — whether from horror or Western or space opera or musical theater — through a lens of character-based storytelling. That’s no small achievement. It might not be what every audience member is looking for, but it’s an awfully good skill set for making an ensemble movie based on a bunch of different properties.

Anika: The only other Whedon outing I have any familiarity with is Firefly but I’ve seen all of that, including Serenity, and when it was announced I was actually concerned about his direction of the film. Not in terms of storytelling or character but that literal, physical direction. I was pleased to be wrong about that, too — most notably with Natasha. I have complained a lot about the characterization and presentation of Black Widow in Iron Man 2, especially her big fight scene in the corridor. I read a fan’s list of “What to Expect In The Avengers” and the only entry for Natasha was “spin around and land with her leg thrust out”. But that’s where Whedon impressed me. Because that happened exactly, and more than once, but every time there was something in the way of the shot — scaffolding, bad guys, random debris — so there were no lingering sexy music video shots, just a trained gymnast with guns doing her job. Whedon gets a lot of attention for handling female characters well and I’m glad it proved true in this film.

What I am most interested in at this point is what’s next. The main weakness I found with the film is tied directly to the source material — there is a real lack of diversity. So now that the world has been won over, what new Avengers can we look forward to seeing? I know we all have favorites — I was scrutinizing every pilot on that helicarrier for a nod to Carol Danvers — but I think this is a bright, shiny opportunity to switch things up a bit to address the diversity issues. Janet is Asian in the Ultimate comics. Valkyrie takes over bodies so she could be played by the likes of Zoe Saldana. I have a host of blonde actresses I want to play Carol, depending on what age she is, and I can make an informed argument for why she should resemble Barbie… but I loved Idris Elba’s Heimdall. I want diversity in my comic books and in my comic book movies and I say get creative and get brave. I’m the biggest Carol Danvers fan ever and I can get behind Naya Rivera playing her. In fact, we can call this the beginning of my campaign for it.

Caroline: I like your ideas! I am personally not going to advance any theories for who should be in future movies, because I frankly have a terrible track record at it. I didn’t think Pepper Potts was a good idea for the Iron Man supporting cast. I was sure the presence of Hulk would drag the Avengers movie down, and I didn’t think Loki was going to be the right villain. I was wrong about all of those things, so I’m not going to make any future suggestions!

That said, there are definitely places where you could poke at this movie and find more opportunities for diversity. James Rhodes couldn’t show up for a cameo (or at very least a mention of why SHIELD wouldn’t call on the other guy they knew who had a giant robot suit.) Maria Hill — with no offense to Cobie Smulders, who was perfectly fine — could have been cast as a character of color, as she is in the Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes cartoon. And, while the decision to include Hawkeye in the cast must have been made at least as far back as the Thor movie, there’s no good reason that his role in Avengers couldn’t have been filled by a female character like Bobbi Morse or Jessica Drew.

Jennifer: My own wish-fulfillment character choice for the next Avengers film is, unsurprisingly, She-Hulk. While I’ve always loved the character, it didn’t occur to me how well she’d fit into this universe until I saw this movie and found myself with the most interest I have ever had in Bruce Banner/The Hulk. Introducing Jennifer Walters into the ensemble would bring in family for Bruce, which could be a fascinating development for him and would provide a point of contrast in just what repressed personality traits Gamma radiation can bring out. She’s also quippy, which would be perfect for this bunch, and she could do banter-flirting with Hawkeye (especially if Black Widow ends up with a version of Winter Soldier down the line). In the comics, Jen is white, but she’s only Bruce Banner’s cousin — there’s no reason his aunt couldn’t have married a person of color, and I’d be more than happy with a biracial She-Hulk.

All that said, I give Joss a lot of credit for what he did with the three women in this movie (Natasha, Maria, and Pepper), and it’s because of this that I’d love to see more female Avengers in a future movie. And Jane Foster should definitely come back and be a science nerd with Tony and Bruce.

Sigrid: Yes.

I could say more, but, just, yes. I think there’s a lot of room now, in this franchise. There’s a lot of promise, a number of plots and characters for future writers and directors to explore. I hope that this movie is allowed to stand, and doesn’t get too retconned by the next creative team to come along.

But … but I read comics, and I’m used to that. And I understand that whatever future movies may say, this one still exists. That makes me happy.

Q&A #156: Reader Request: I want to hear more about villains!

May 8th, 2012 by Anika

In Q & A, a weekly feature of Fantastic Fangirls, we ask our staff to tackle a simple question — then open the floor to comments.

Tell us about villains!


Anika

Last week my family watched all five of the lead up films to Marvel’s The Avengers to get excited for the film. We watched Captain America on Thursday, just a few hours before the midnight Avengers (aside: that should be a team. The Midnight Avengers!), and I had an incredibly bipolar reaction to the film. If the heroes were on screen, particularly Bucky, I was riveted. When it was just the villains, I was bored. When Aeris wanted a drink in the middle of the Steve and Erskine on cots scene I paused the movie; when I wanted a drink a few scenes later I got up and left the room, my brother asked if he should pause it and I answered, “No, I’ve seen it. It’s the villains. I don’t care.”

I want to care about the villains. I want them to be complicated. The Red Skull and Hydra are just pure evil. Literally faceless. I don’t care. And then I don’t really care that Captain America defeats them. It diminishes my attachment to the story and the hero.

And that’s why I like Thor best. Nothing in Thor tops my love for Pepper and Tony, for example, but Thor has one thing none of the other five do: Loki. Thor has a villain I care about it. Stane from the first Iron Man film is next best because he has the prior relationship to Tony, but Loki has a relationship to Thor AND a motive I relate to AND a character arc of his own. I’m not rooting for Loki to win, but I am rooting for Loki.


Caroline

My favorite villain from the recent wave of superhero movies has to be Justin Hammer, as played by Sam Rockwell in Iron Man 2.

That might be an odd choice because Hammer, on the grand scale of things, is not all that villainous. Sure, he’ll resort to violence — against people and property and parrots — to get what he wants. He has a secret lair, and a quirky wardrobe, and a collection of weird habits, as though he’s making a, “Who Wants to Be a Supervillain?” audition film, but his heart’s not really in it. At the time the movie came out, I joked that Hammer could just as easily be auditioning to replace Michael Scott on The Office as bidding to take over the world.

Hammer is a compelling antagonist for Tony Stark because he comes out of the corporate world where Tony lives much of his life. The every day evil Hammer embodies doesn’t see itself as carrying out a sinister agenda. Hammer just wants to get ahead, and anything else is collateral damage. Since Iron Man 2 is largely concerned with situations where Tony’s selfish recklessness causes harm to other people, Hammer serves as a compelling mirror of what Stark could be if he loses sight of his heroic mission.

Plus, I really like those ridiculous suits.


Jennifer

I’m not a big fan of villains. I’m attracted to heroism, especially the undiluted heroism of characters like Captain America, and villains are the opposite of that. Villains are about selfishness rather than selflessness, jealousy and greed rather than magnanimity. Villains are everything I fear inside of myself, but never want to let myself be — characters who embody the violation of my inner moral code. I don’t get visceral pleasure out of watching villains, the way I gather other people do, because to me they represent everything I most fear: misdirected passions, selfish justifications, blind rage that pays no attention to collateral damage, and the dismissal of that little voice in your head that says, “No, you don’t want to snap at that person who cut in front of you on line, or steal that pack of gum from the drug store, or hog an extra bus seat for your backpack, or do any of the million other self-serving things you could probably get away with if you didn’t care about social cohesion and karma and fairness.”

This may be why my favorite stories tend to be villainless — or, if absolutely necessary, dependent on faceless, silly, and/or purely-evil villains whose motivations you don’t have to think too hard about. I like survival narratives, or stories about interpersonal conflict where each person is a little bit in the wrong but no one is malicious, or battles against Nazis or robots or alien invasions or MODOK. I like mind-control narratives that result in blameless havoc, or stories about coping with the unavoidable.

It’s possible I’ve chosen the wrong genre to be a fan of if I feel this way. But as long as comics keep giving me the heroes I love, I’ll put up with the villains I don’t.


Sigrid

I believe that the strongest heroism is found in people who understand how close they are to being villains.

Now, I understand that there are models of heroism that do not share this. Steve Rogers as Captain America is a good example of a clean sort of hero. But I am drawn more to the Magneto, Huntress, Stephanie Brown, Emma Frost sorts of heroes.

Reformed villains make the best heroes. They know evil because they have done evil. They know it from the inside out. And, somehow, they have found the strength to walk away from it.

Villains are my favorite heroes.


So what about you? Tell us about villains!

The Importance of Pepper Potts’ Pants

May 4th, 2012 by Anika

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The following contains many SPOILERS for the film The Avengers (2012). The first sentence is a spoiler. Please do not read more if you are concerned about spoilers for this film because this essay contains many!

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Fantastic Fangirls (Comic) Book Club: Twilight

May 2nd, 2012 by Anika

Welcome back to the book club discussion of Young Kim’s adaptation of Stephenie Meyers’ TWILIGHT, Volume One. Yesterday we talked about the construction of the novel, today we tackle the content.

Jennifer: In a scene where Bella is talking about Edward’s “strange behavior” during their first lab session together, he literally does NOTHING in the art — it’s several pages of him just sitting there.

Anika: Jen, your capslock amuses me because that is a documented complaint about the books and movies as well: these characters never do anything! It’s not just Bella who is predominantly passive; everybody, and especially the Cullen family, spends a lot more time being than doing.

Which brings us back to something you’ve all mentioned: this is considered an explicitly female story. Sometimes I imagine the whole of Twilight is a secretly brilliant social commentary. Even taken at face value it brings up questions about why this is “coded feminine” and what that means for the audience.

But we can start with something simpler: what parts of the story or the characters do you like or dislike?

Caroline: Ladies, I’m going to level with you. Once upon a time, I was in high school.

I know, I know. I don’t admit to that a lot. A lot of people I know will tell stories about things that happened to them in high school — wonderful or things or traumatic things, but, whatever. Things that had an impact on them. Personal relationships that had meaning. I don’t do that, so much. I transferred to a new school at the beginning of ninth grade. It was a school that was small, and tight knit, and everybody who was there had these intertwined histories (everybody was somebody’s cousin). In four years, I never felt like I got to be part of that. I didn’t love high school, but I didn’t hate it, either. (That was middle school. Middle school is the worst.) My memories of high school are basically of four years that were just gray. Day following day, nothing ever changing, nothing mattering, nothing feeling like it was going to last.

During this time period, I had a recurring fantasy about, quite seriously, meeting a boy at the skating rink. (I probably got it from watching The Wonder Years. I didn’t even go to the skating rink but maybe twice.) The boy in the fantasy had no distinguishing characteristics that I can recall. The entire substance of this fantasy was that the boy thought I was special and he was from somewhere else. Before I make my younger self sound too pathetic, I dated in high school. Not a ton, but I had a boyfriend when I was in tenth grade, and I went to senior prom. I belonged to school organizations and I read and thought and talked to friendly people about intriguing things. I didn’t literally sit around leading a gray life and waiting for someone from somewhere else to make my life interesting. It’s just that, when I was at my most emotionally self-indulgent and, thus, in the memories that stick , that’s what sticks with me.

And that is why Bella Swan’s story speaks to me, even at the same time I’m embarrassed that it does. As Anika alluded, I think it’s (unintentionally) appropriate meta that Edward’s “intriguing behavior” consists of absolutely nothing. What resonates with me about Twilight is that Bella wants someone to be fascinated by her, wants to be singled out.

The details don’t matter so much. It’s the pure, visceral id-drippingness of the whole thing that gets to me. It probably helps, really, that nothing about Edward is particularly my type, that he’s kind of a square, that ‘golden eyes and marble skin’ don’t really say ‘sexy’ to me. It lets me focus on Bella’s gazing — and her wanting — more than who or what she’s gazing at. or what actions she takes.

Which is probably a good thing, because about all she’s done so far is google “vampire.” The plotting doesn’t quite live up to the emotional weight, is what I’m saying.

Sigrid: Oh my god, who does not want to be special? Moreover, it’s fine to want to be special for doing something awesome, for winning the race or fighting cancer or saving the kingdom or making your way back home. But sometimes a person just wants to be awesome in a hoodie and pajama pants on the couch at two p.m. What I’m saying is, it would be great to win the adulation of the kingdom, but wouldn’t it also be great to be adored without having to change anything about yourself?

If you have this fantasy, I recommend spending a weekend with a border collie. If you love the experience, get a border collie. If you don’t love your time spent with an animal that does nothing but gaze at you worshipfully and beg you for instructions, then you’ll know this is purely a fantasy for you.

If adult women get to have their problematic fantasies about Pretty Woman, girls and women get to have their problematic fantasies about Twilight. Bella Swan may not be taking a lot of actions in the story, but she most assuredly has agency. She has thoughts and opinions and views, and she reacts to the world around her in believable ways. She does not make the decisions and conclusions that I would make, but that’s not what agency is about. Agency lets a person make decisions that I think are terrible, because I am not controlling that other person.

Caroline: I, personally, would enjoy your version of the story wherein Bella considers devoting her life to either the vampire or the werewolf, but then decides to get a puppy instead.

I can see that being hard to stretch into four books, though.

As far as the choices Bella does make — well, she basically has this guy telling her that he wants her because she is special. He also tells her that because of his essential nature (and through no fault of his own), the very fact that he wants to be with her is dangerous. Bella is a character with free choice, which is what all the talk about protagonists with agency wants her to have. She’s not being taken prisoner, she’s not in any way forced to be around Edward. Even when she understands he is dangerous and why, she keeps making choices to be near him.

Is that how we, as readers, want her to exercise that choice? Well, that depends. If I was her parent, I would be saying, “God, honey, get the hell away from this guy!” and I would start googling “Van Helsing” and “vampire slayer” to figure out how to drive this family out of town (Is that a story viewpoint we ever see? The parent of the kid dating the dangerous supernatural dude?) If I’m a young reader looking to Bella as a literal model for my future behavior, I hopefully am also saying, “Girl, get away from this guy!”

On the other hand, as somebody reading a fantasy that I recognize as a fantasy, it gets more complicated. I absolutely understand the viewpoint of someone who gets to this point in the story (“He is dangerous! But he sparkles! I am so conflicted!”) and wants nothing to do with that fantasy. For me, though, I can’t imagine making the choices Bella makes — I wouldn’t want to make the choices Bella makes because as I mentioned, Edward = kind of a bore — but I want to see what happens because I care about her.

I’m not reading this like a Jane Austen novel, in other words, where the heroine works through her personal struggles to end up with the right guy in the end. I’m thinking more of Henry James’s Portrait of a Lady. Isabel Archer, the heroine of that book, has money and freedom to make whatever choice she wants. She gets a marriage offer in the first few chapters, from a handsome lord who is a great guy who has his own castle. If I were the heroine of that book, it would be three chapters long and end with us partying it up in the castle. But Isabel decides she needs to go other places and experiences other things, and makes a long series of choices the reader suspects she shouldn’t be making. There is no happily ever after, but that wasn’t the point anyway.

Now, I should say that Stephenie Meyer is not writing a Henry James novel. Possibly she thinks she is writing an Austen novel. In a lot of ways, the reader has to take Twilight as a romance novel (which I’m defining here as a book in which the romantic resolution of the two main characters is the ultimate object of the plot) in order for it to make any sense at all. Yet, I personally have no interest in it as a romance novel, because I don’t much care about Bella and Edward ending up together. In that sense, I’m shooting myself in the foot because there’s no way the end of the story is going to be satisfying to me. The best I can hope for is that the ending will be totally crazycakes. Not to give too much away.

I should let someone else talk.

Anika: I’m fairly certain Stephenie Meyer thinks she is writing a Bronte novel. Just saying.

I have a teenage daughter. She read Twilight and a third of New Moon and she hated it. She hated it so much she stopped reading it and even though all of her friends, and I, have explained that after New Moon is when the story gets good, she refuses to pick it back up. Kiki can’t stand Bella Swan, she doesn’t want to relate to her or care about her — her favorite literary heroine is Luna Lovegood; she wants to be and actively tries to be like Luna. But Kiki and I have been able to have the same intelligent discussion we are having here with her Twilight-loving friends. The main criticism of Twilight I hear is that it is directly harmful to the teenage girls who read it, and the main reaction is that someone has to stop them from reading or liking it. That someone has to save them from themselves. Because obviously the best way to prove that a teenage girl needs to have and take control of her own choices is to take them away or make them for her. I over-care about the Twilight argument because I think that reaction is so much more damaging to teenage girls than any paranormal romance novel will ever be.

I like Alice best. Generally, I like the supporting cast better than Edward, Bella and Jacob. Unfortunately, we don’t get to know them in this first volume of the graphic novel.

Jennifer: After all this intelligent discussion, it would probably just be a jerk move at this point to rattle off the story’s flaws. We’ve all HEARD about the story’s flaws, after all — they’re what all the social discourse about this book makes so clear. In terms of storytelling, I mostly found this volume (which I realize is only half the first book) utterly boring. Bella and Edward have the same exact conversation fifteen times, and nothing at all happens. I expect either action or character development in my stories (and, ideally, both), and this had neither. Then there’s the fact that Edward repeatedly has to swoop in (literally) to save Bella’s life, which is tiring. We talk about Bella’s agency, and she may indeed have agency, but what she doesn’t have is autonomy. She literally would have died at least twice in this brief volume if not for Edward, because she is in no position to take care of herself. I don’t need all my female protagonists to be Buffy or Xena, but I’d like them to have SOME amount of self-sufficiency.

But ultimately, my issue is just that this isn’t the fantasy for me. Sigrid asks, “Who wouldn’t want to be special?” and I raise my hand and say, “Me.” My high school fantasies involved my group of friends and me pitted against the world, working as a team. I never wanted to be a chosen one; I wanted to be a sidekick, or a member of an ensemble, inter-reliant on a group of people I loved. Even my romantic fantasies never involved a stranger — they were more likely to be about a male friend, or a celebrity. My high school experience was full of highs and lows, not endless grays. Bella in this volume has tons of potential friends banging down her door, and she persists in ignoring or dismissing them to focus on this one dude she finds inexplicably appealing. She’s having an IDEAL time as a stranger in a new town, yet all she can do is mope and whine. This is impossible for me to relate to, and nearly impossible for me to understand. And coupled with truly awful writing in the captions and dialogue, this story just… does nothing for me.

I don’t think it’s wrong for anyone else to like it. I don’t think it’s single-handedly destroying our youth, and I think young girls should be allowed to read whatever they like. But I think the criticisms are more than valid.

Caroline: Oh, it’s totally valid. The decision to divide the book into two parts, besides being an obvious cash grab and an example of the comic’s structural problems, is particularly egregious because most of the prose novel’s plot happens in the second half.

Besides that, Jennifer is right on the money to observe that, while Bella subjectively feels isolated and out of place in her new school, the narrative doesn’t support that with any good reasons. She has no conflict of note with the other students, and they’re not doing anything to exclude her. I don’t demand a narrative where Bella is constantly being oppressed by her classmates (I often find “everybody picks on the hero(ine)” to be one of the less attractive features of “chosen one” stories), but there ought to be something to make her feel this way. I think you get a little bit more of that in the prose novel (like, I didn’t mind her liking Edward so much because all of the guys in the school seemed to be possessive jerks who made him look good in comparison). But I think it’s fair to say that the narrative largely validates Bella’s self-centeredness, and that’s a problem.

I don’t find the part of me that identifies with Bella to be particularly attractive. It’s fair to say that I relate to this book because, when I was sixteen, I was kind of an elitist asshole. I don’t think all books have to be morally instructive, though, not even books for teenagers. For that matter, I recognize that my reading of Twilight is idiosyncratic, and so I assume that there are readers who get something out of it that is totally different. Maybe there’s someone who benefits from reading about Bella’s determination to follow her own heart. I’m sure there’s someone who can’t identify with Buffy or Xena’s personal and physical strength, and needs the reassurance that a powerless girl in a world of more powerful people still has a role to play.

And I’m sure plenty of people are sure the story sucks, but find it fun to read anyway. As a reader who can skew to the elitist side (that paragraph about Henry James up there, y’all? I’m so sorry about that), Twilight is a good reminder that sometimes I get a visceral kick out of stories, even when my brain tells me they are terrible.

Anika: I think Twilight is difficult to discuss without feeling defensive no matter what side we fall on. Which is ultimately why I over-analyze it myself (and to myself!), and bring it up to these kinds of discourse. Reading a book is a personal experience, what we get out of it is what it is. The movies and the chatter and the fanworks and the merchandise and the rest of the shared experience fascinates me as much as Edward fascinates Bella. So thank you for the discussion. I hope it continues.

Fantastic Fangirls (Comic) Book Club: Twilight

May 1st, 2012 by Anika

For the eleventh installment of the Fantastic Fangirls (Comic) Book Club, the four of us read the graphic novel adaptation of Stephenie Meyer’s Twilight, art and adaptation by Young Kim. We’re going to start our discussion by sharing an e-mail exchange that took place among the Fantastic Fangirls staff. This is a starting point for whatever our readers would like to say about the book. In the comments, feel free to address any of the points that came up in our discussion, or raise a topic/question of your own. Enjoy!

Anika: I can guess what you are thinking: Why Twilight? First of all, let’s be clear that it was all my idea so if there is any blame to be given, the other Fangirls are innocent. But to answer the question, the polarity of the Twilight phenomenon fascinates me. The books and films and everyone involved with both are so wildly adored and so widely reviled. It seems everyone has an opinion about sparkling vampires and morose werewolves whether they’ve read any of it or not. And an even stronger opinion about the sullen girl in the middle of it.

Twilight Volume I

Bella, and the critical reception to her, also fascinates me. I often jump to her defense, or more correctly to the defense of young women who like or relate to her. So. That’s where I come from. I’ve read all the books and seen all the movies and I’d read both volumes of the graphic novel before suggesting it for the club. And, maybe because my main complaint against Twilight is how awful Meyer’s writing is, my first impression was how much better the story is in “manga” (actually manhwa, as the artist is Korean) form.

Let’s start there — what were your thoughts going in and how did it measure up once you’d begun?

Caroline: I don’t think it’s a big secret that I like the Twilight books and films quite a bit. I like them with extremely serious reservations, but I do like them, and I’m particularly fond of Bella Swan. However, I must dissent from the idea that the worst thing about Twilight is Meyer’s writing, and that a graphic adaptation is thus bound to be better.

I’m not going to claim any great merit for Meyer’s prose, but what I connect to about the books is the strength of Bella’s voice as a first-person narrator. What I connect to about the movies, incidentally, is Kristen Stewart as an actress. A comic book adaptation doesn’t offer me either of those things (though, yes, this one does reproduce some of Bella’s narration in unfortunate detail, but that isn’t the same as capturing the book’s voice). Basically, this graphic novel is going to rise and fall on the strength of (a) its own craft and (b) the underlying story. And in my opinion, both of those aspects are not great.

Sigrid: I haven’t read the books, so I’m not able to make a comparison between this graphic edition and the novels. I did see the first movie, though, and I felt that the shoujo manga genre — books written specifically for a female 10-to-18-year-old audience — is a natural fit for Twilight. The tics and conventions of shoujo manga — the long, long, loving looks at the pretty-boy male lead, for instance — felt suited to the story.

There’s a thing here about Female Gaze. Shoujo Manga is constructed around the idea that female desire is as real and legitimate as male desire. Bella is clearly an agent in her own story, she has wants and she makes plans and takes actions. She wants Edward, and shoujo manga is well-versed in how to objectify men for a teenage girl’s desire.

All of that being said, I’m not sure this is a good rendering of Twilight. I wanted this to be Mars, and it just wasn’t.

Jennifer: I’ll admit, I was the strongest opponent of this book club choice. I’ve seen the first and third Twilight movies (the first with RiffTrax on, the third for a class on media franchising), but I have had zero interest in reading the books. Part of this is just a genre issue — beyond a brief Anne Rice phase in 9th grade, I’ve never been interested in vampires, or werewolves, or romance novels. But part of my distaste, I’ll admit, comes from what I’ve heard about the series. I’ve read several summaries of the novels and have been horrified by various plot elements and the particular tropes of the central love triangle, and as a result I was completely turned off. I try my best not to mock media I haven’t actually seen or read, so I haven’t been a Twilight “hater” in the way some people are, but I certainly haven’t raised a voice in opposition to that mockery.

That said… I think it’s important to interrogate my own biases, and I’m not asking for any kind of approval for my rejection of this story. In fact, it makes me distinctly uncomfortable to realize that I actively refused to read this graphic novel in public, and was even embarrassed when checking it out of the library. I regularly, and proudly, read superhero comics in public — even superhero comics with truly awful, female-objectifying covers. Why am I defiantly proud of my masculine-coded comics interest but fearful of anyone mistaking me for “the kind of girl who likes Twilight”? Why am I so willing to embrace some flawed media, but not the flawed media that is coded feminine?

All of this is to say that I’m very conflicted about this story, and not proud of my own reactions to it. But in the end all of that turned out to be moot, because the story was entirely secondary in my experience of this graphic novel. The subject matter could have been the most wonderfully appealing thing in the world and it still wouldn’t have worked if it had this lettering, this visual storytelling, this dialogue, and these captions. To be blunt: this book may be, by far, the worst-constructed comic I have ever read. And I have a feeling I’m not alone in that opinion.

Caroline: I ought to speak up for a second and say that I doubt Jennifer feels any more conflicted about hating Twilight than I feel about liking it. This whole phenomenon gets hard to talk about, because this series has been through so many phases of popularity and backlash that it can get confusing what we’re talking about. I have no problem with people hating Twilight, in any media form. There are plenty of reasons to be turned off by the content or the fan response to these books, and nobody has to like them to be a “good” female fan (anymore than somebody has to like shoujo manga or romance novels). As long as you actually know what you’re objecting to — whereas I’ve seen so many criticisms that start with, “I haven’t read this or seen it but somebody told me that. . .”, etc. And for the record, I totally read this series on Kindle so that I never had to hold the covers out in public.

But to step back from that and talk about the book itself, I was also not-too-impressed with the construction. Young Kim can certainly draw, but this adaptation gave me a strong sense of being designed by someone who doesn’t get how comics work. Just for the most glaring example, there is a narration caption describing how characters look right next to a picture of the characters. If a comic book’s narration has to use words to describe what the reader is looking at, there is a problem.

Anika: Caroline’s correct, but as I mentioned in the beginning, I feel a need to say nobody has to dislike them to be a “good” female fan, or female, either. I also want to clarify one of my earlier comments — when I said this was a better medium for the story, I didn’t mean “this is a great way for everybody to read Twilight,” I meant “this is an easier way for me personally to read Twilight.” I already know the story, I know what I like and don’t like about it, and I know what I want out of it. And I wonder if they went into this with the assumption that it would not be the readers’ first encounter with the material? Which is a poor decision but may explain why it comes off as being made without comprehension of the medium.

My own main complaint with the construction of the graphic novel is the lettering. Either the font is too small or the circles are too big but it is not at all a good use of space.

Caroline: Anika has a good point that this probably isn’t meant to be anybody’s introduction to the story of Twilight. (Which is good, I guess, because I’m damned if I could figure out what was happening in any of the scenes involving action or motion, without having read the novel and seen the film.) In that sense, it might not even be fair to critique this as if it was ‘comics’, because it essentially seems to just be an illustrated version of the story.

On the other hand. . .this site is about comics, so I’m not sure how else we’re supposed to critique it. Besides, I mostly kept thinking of it as a missed opportunity. I could easily imagine a graphic adaptation of Twilight that is more effective than the prose version or the film. There’s so much room for imagination in depicting the bright world of the Cullens versus the dim world of Forks, as a way to show what it is about these people that appeals to Bella. As we discussed when we talked about Nana, as well as the manga-inspired Strangers in Paradise, manga gives artists a whole box of tools for portraying hyper real situations, and subjective emotional states. This adaptation basically uses none of them. The narration has to tell us how pretty the Cullens are, because otherwise we’d notice every character in the book is equally pretty, and kind of same-y looking. (The movies have this problem, too, since they’re entirely cast with attractive Hollywood people, but movies have conditioned us mostly to ignore that.)

The one exception I can think of is when Bella is imagining cartoon superheroes when forming a mental image of Edward. This was a fun and witty image, and it gave me a glimpse of what Young Kim probably could have done more of if she’d been given free rein. However, if this article is any indication, the adaptation was micromanaged by Stephenie Meyer. Who, bless her, apparently didn’t want a comic, much less a manga. She wanted an illustration of the novel, with narration. To be fair, that’s probably what her audience wants to read, too. It’s just a shame, because if this was a good comic, it might have been a gateway for a lot of new readers of the medium. As it is, this extremely well-selling book is basically just tie-in merchandise.

Sigrid: I agree that the meta-cultural conversation about the Twlight pop-cult-phenom obscures any examination of an individual instance of that phenom. I agree that the layouts, captions, and fonts are terrible in this particular graphic novel. I also agree that this could have been an amazing translation of the Twilight franchise into another form of media, a form possibly better suited to the story than the movies were.

I would have liked to have seen:

Strong differentiation between character types in the art
Hyper-realized emotions portrayed using the manga and manwha traditions of chibi, blank faces, ferocious scowls
Long, drawn-out pages of no action to show deep feelings and introspection
Fewer captions
Many, many long moments of gazing intently at other people, with halting words indicating extreme emotion

This is one of the things that manga does super-well! I had high hopes, I guess, is what I’m getting at.

Caroline: Great suggestions, and that reinforces my suspicion that the powers behind this book saw “girls’ manga” as a marketing category, rather than an art form with its own conventions.

Jennifer: It’s interesting that you mention Strangers in Paradise and Nana, the two book club selections so far that I’ve had the most negative reaction to. The conventions of shoujo manga/manwha don’t usually appeal to me as a reader. Yet I can absolutely see how they would have improved this text. If this book fails for people who like shoujo AND for people who don’t, something must be seriously wrong.

For me, the main issue was the seeming lack of any kind of effort on the part of the artist (which may, to be fair, be due to the micromanagement). Every establishing shot was a photograph with a few scribbles on top of it. In a scene where Bella is talking about Edward’s “strange behavior” during their first lab session together, he literally does NOTHING in the art — it’s several pages of him just sitting there. It’s not like I’ve never read comics that didn’t quite work effectively (Claremont comics of the 80s are infamous for descriptions in the captions that describe the exact same thing that’s happening in the art), but this was especially bad. And coupled with the lettering — which often covered people’s faces, despite the words being tiny within the balloons! — it was just impossible to follow any of the action, or understand the story.

To be continued: Join us tomorrow for our discussion of story and theme.

Q&A #154: What comic book character would make a good sports team coach?

April 24th, 2012 by Anika

In Q & A, a weekly feature of Fantastic Fangirls, we ask our staff to tackle a simple question — then open the floor to comments.

What comic book character would make a good sports team coach?


Anika

Steve Rogers should coach little league. This is a thing that should happen. It can be in his retirement, or when he slows down… which will never occur in a comic book, but that’s not the question. Twenty years from now, when there is a new generation of young heroes to focus on saving the world, Steve Rogers should coach little league. Baseball: America’s pastime.


Caroline

My first instinct in answering this question was to wonder, “Doesn’t Coach Taylor already count as a superhero?” I thought there must at least be a tie-in between Friday Night Lights (the TV show featuring Coach Taylor) and comic books. But it turns out the closest thing in existence is this collection of Gil Thorp comics.

There clearly should be a comic book based on Friday Night Lights, if only due to the apparently high crossover between comics fandom and love of FNL. Even though that show was based firmly in the real world, its take on everyday heroism and the importance of friendship are just the kind of thing that many comic books readers love and relate to.

Until the comic book version of Coach Taylor exists, though, I nominate conscientious, clean-cut Southern boy Sam Guthrie (Cannonball of the X-Men and New Mutants) as the best potential coach in the Marvel Universe.


Jennifer

I’m not much of a Green Lantern fan on the best of days, and of all the Lanterns out there, the insubordinate, abrasive, downright obnoxious Guy Gardner is probably the farthest from my character type. But when I learned that he’d once been a gym teacher for children in special education classes, I couldn’t help softening my feelings toward him just a bit. Apparently, special needs kids get to see the softer side of Mr. Gardner that few others ever witness. I may not like Guy much as a superhero, but if he spent the rest of his days as a volunteer coach for the Special Olympics, the world would probably be a better place.


Sigrid

A good sports coach is a combination of practical and inspirational. Someone who can
follow rules, keep a schedule, and make long-term plans towards goals. Most superheroes are reactive rather than proactive — they respond to villainous threats. The exception that comes to mind is Batman, and I don’t want him coaching anybody to do anything.

Supervillains would make better coaches, I think. But their plans, however carefully laid, tend to result in failure when met by opposition. A sports game or tournament would definitely have opposition.

Outside of superhero comics we have other genres. I don’t think the crime/noir comics genre would be a good fit. And I don’t want to ponder a sports coach from horror comics.

All told, I think I’d like to propose Linus from the Charles M. Schulze Charlie Brown comics as a sports coach. He’s got the patience, the faith, the ability to see the larger picture. And he doesn’t let anyone’s opinions of him get in his way.


So what about you? What comic book character would make a good sports team coach?

Hiatus

April 17th, 2012 by Anika

The Fangirls are taking a week off to recover from the wonders of C2E2 and Walt Disney World. Join us next week for a return to our regularly scheduled Q&As!

Chicks Dig Comics Release Day!

April 10th, 2012 by Sigrid

Chicks Dig Comics cover art

Today the essay collection Chicks Dig Comics is available for sale! And your Fangirls are represented within!

Here’s the full Table of Contents:

Introduction by Mark Waid
Editors’ Foreword, by Lynne M. Thomas and Sigrid Ellis
Mary Batson and the Chimera Society, by Gail Simone
Summers and Winters, Frost and Fire, by Seanan McGuire
Cosplay, Creation, and Community, by Erica McGillivray
An Interview with Amanda Conner
A Matter of When, by Carla Speed McNeil
The Other Side of the Desk, by Rachel Edidin
An Interview with Terry Moore
Nineteen Panels about Me and Comics, by Sara Ryan
I’m Batman, by Tammy Garrison
An Interview with Alisa Bendis
My Secret Identity, by Caroline Pruett
The Green Lantern Mythos: A Metaphor for My (Comic Book) Life, by Jill Pantozzi
Vampirella, or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Page Turn, by Jen Van Meter
Confessions of a (Former) Unicorn, by Tara O’Shea
The Evolution of a Tart, by Sheena McNeil
Kitty Queer, by Sigrid Ellis
The Captain in the Capitol: Invoking the Superhero in Daily Life by, Jennifer Margret Smith
Burn, Baby Burn, by Lloyd Rose
Tune in Tomorrow, by Sue D
An Interview with Greg Rucka
Comic Book Junkie, by Jill Thompson
From Pogo to Girl Genius, by Delia Sherman
I am Sisyphus, and I am Happy, by Kelly Thompson
Captain America’s Next Top Model, by Anika Dane Milik
An Interview with Louise Simonson
Me Vs. Me, by Sarah Kuhn
A Road That has No Ending: Revenge in Sandman, by Sarah Monette
Mutants, by Marjorie Liu
You’re on the Global Frequency, by Elizabeth Bear
Crush on a Superhero, by Colleen Doran

Thank you, readers, for supporting Fantastic Fangirls. I hope you enjoy the book!

Q&A #154: Who are your favorite non-Xmen siblings in comics?

April 10th, 2012 by Caroline

In Q & A, a weekly feature of Fantastic Fangirls, we ask our staff to tackle a simple question — then open the floor to comments. Last week’s Favorite Siblings question unexpectedly revealed a slate of X-Men-related answers. As it were. This week we decided to expand on the question. Therefore –

Who are your favorite Non-X-Men sibilings in comics?


Anika

Terry and Matt McGinnis. I love Batman Beyond. Terry is Not Bruce. And eventually Bruce realizes he’s Not Robin, too. Terry is sort of “what if Peter Parker was Batman?” — he’s normal except not. And his punky little brother is a part of that. Matt grounds Terry. So he’s the hero of Gotham City, he’s just My Annoying Big Brother Who Never Has Time for Me to Matt…and at the same time, he was Matt’s hero long before he was anybody else’s.


Caroline

There’s something to be said for sharing a power, or a curse, or a supernatural duty with your sibling. But sometimes it’s fun to see a brother and sister in a comic who are just regular people. Scott and Stacey Pilgrim, from the popular series by Bryan Lee O’Malley have a relationship that flaky brothers and long-suffering sisters everywhere will recognize instantly.


Jennifer

While superhero comics are full of great siblings, one of my favorite sibling pairs exists outside of Western comics entirely. Edward and Alphonse Elric, protagonists of the wonderful manga Fullmetal Alchemist, are probably the most devoted brothers in anything I’ve ever read. In some ways, they’re the exact opposite of normal birth-order predictions. Ed, the older brother, is impulsive and frequently childish, with a quick temper and a flair for the dramatic. The younger Al, on the other hand, is calm and practical, quiet and sweet, and prepared to dig his brother out of any scrape — all this despite the fact that he literally has no body, and must exist as a soul embedded in a moving suit of armor. But when it comes down to it, Ed is willing to lay down anything — including, literally, his own limbs — to protect his baby brother, and the driving narrative of the entire epic story is the brothers’ quest to heal each other. They fight and bicker like any brothers do, but ultimately this is a story about deep, devoted brotherly love, and the threads of that emotional arc end in an extraordinarily satisfying way. If this kind of brother-narrative interests you at all, I highly recommend giving the Fullmetal Alchemist manga a try.


Sigrid

My favorite siblings outside of my beloved X-Men are the Endless, from Neil Gaiman’s Sandman. For all that they are the anthropomorphic personifications of eternal principles, they are still siblings. They bicker, feud, and love each other as family. I always appreciated that.

(L’il Endless art by Jill Thompson. I own a print of this, it hangs on my wall.)


So what about you? Who are your favorite Non-X-Men sibilings in comics?